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近日读书报告 (完)

Post by Jun » 2005-06-06 12:19

我又来了。

1. Pitch like a Girl (by Ronna Litchenberg).

一般我不怎么看self help的书,只是在找工作或者需要的时候临时抱佛脚一下。但是看到这本书,随手翻了翻,发现挺有趣,便借了回去看。有趣的地方是男女在工作/推销/生意上风格的不同。这倒也不新鲜,例如男人眼里只有竞争,女人喜欢谈判,建立友谊,win-win relationship之类的心理归纳。不过这个作者把这些特征划分为Blue and Pink,而不是男性和女性,因为男性里也有粉红风格的,而女性里也有蓝色风格的。更多情况下,一个人是条纹的,或者是蓝底粉纹,或者是粉底蓝纹,纯粹的不多,尤其是现在的商业环境下需要一人兼备各种才能,又能读报表,又能建立关系。

书里有些意见还是有道理的。例如她说,蓝色人常常不理解粉色人东拉西扯不上正题的说话方式;粉色人常常觉得蓝色人以势压人,没有人情味儿。蓝色人注重目标,只要能把事情办好就万事大吉;粉色人想让大家做朋友,心情愉快地合作。蓝色人擅长分析数据,粉色人擅长调动大家。关于女性在谈生意,求职加薪方面的劣势,作者结合生理和社会的各种原因,分析得挺有道理。

我读这书的时候,一心认定自己是个典型的Pink,又不敢跟雇主叫板加薪,又经常担心同事怎么看自己,又感到想要迎合他人的压力,当然是粉色的。但是真正把书中的理论代到周围才发现,没有人是纯蓝色和纯粉色的,大家都是条纹的。这或许跟我的行业和环境有关,想必在华尔街或公司高层之类的地方,到处都是一片蓝。最吃惊的是,我发现自己不是粉底蓝条,而是蓝底粉条的人!我的people skills远远不如analytical skills. 而蓝色的女人正是被男性女性都讨厌的倒霉一群。。。

2. Stories of Your Life and Others (重读Ted Chiang).

因为Helen最近提起,我就又把Ted Chiang的短篇集拿出来复习一遍。他的SciFi小说有种不受拘束的印象,没有什么一定的genre,subgenre,而是天马行空,爱走什么路线就走什么路线,所以他的故事放在一起,没有特定的类型,表明他是个思想到处乱跑的人。

我最早读到他的小说是The Story of Your Life,是从女性角度第一人称讲的故事,探讨的是时间的平面性。让我很惊艳,到现在还受到这一篇的影响很深。关于时间的非线性,有很多其他的小说也讨论过,猜想人对于时间的流动方向是一种幻觉。虽然在物理学上,时间之有方向还不能推翻,但是这种理论对我很有心理上的吸引力,因为我是个宿命论者。Ted Chiang这一篇与众不同的地方在于他把时间的非线性跟语言结合在一起,真是匪夷所思。在某种意义上,The Story of Your Life和Memento有根本的相似之处---讲故事的形式/顺序也是故事情节的重要成份。在Memento里,倒叙的方法既是手段也是目的,让观众体会一下anterograde amnesia是什么滋味的。在TSOYL里面,非直线性的叙述方法等于是在把外星人的文字展现给你看。而且在这两部作品里,这种叙述的形式也服务了主题。反正对我来说是一个revelation.

Ted Chiang的文字风格之直白,我倒没注意到。或许因为,我自己写东西起来也就是这种风格,简单到荒芜的地步。挺亲切的,或许因为他白天干的是写技术文章的活儿,我也是。而且,这些小说里面的ideas相当深奥,我需要仔细地想才能理解,如果再来点意象比喻象征什么的,原本就难把握的概念就七扭八歪地变成不知什么样儿了。

书里面有几篇其实不是故事,而是speculative nonfiction,例如Division by Zero,简直就是个草稿/提纲,明显有把概念和生活结合起来的意图,但是完全没有发展起情节来。颠覆数学的逻辑基础和人的死亡意念(death wish),或许在他的脑子里有某种联系但是没有深入探讨,不如TSOYL里面把时间和语言和宿命论联系得那么有机。Division by Zero让我想起电影Pi. 不过Chiang 和Aronofsky都不是数学家,可能对数学理论的理解未必准确,反正他们的意图在于借用数学的理论来讨论哲学的问题。我更不懂数学,所以姑且看之。

3. The House of Mirth (by Edith Wharton).

一本写于1905年的书,字字句句都适用于现在的时代,讲的是一个想嫁入豪门未果的女人的故事。让我一边看一边汗都下来了,谢天谢地我生在这个时代。

Lily Bart 那年29岁,属于大龄未婚女青年,急着嫁人,急着在纽约的社交圈里钓到一个金龟婿。她才貌双全,出身上流,人又聪明,似乎所向披靡,但致命的弱点只有一条: 她很穷。不不不,她还有一条更加致命的弱点:她按奈不下自己的对钱以外的理想和追求。她在有钱的环境下长大,直到有一天父亲回家说破产了。母亲恶狠狠地说:就凭你这张脸,将来都能给赚回来。父母去世后,她寄人篱下在姑母家住着,没有人给她撑腰搭桥找丈夫,一切只能靠自己去钻营。

四周都是极端无聊的人,婚了的太太们成天打桥牌赌钱,打情骂俏,互相别苗条;婚了的丈夫们在华尔街打滚,想着占未婚美女的便宜;可嫁的男人让人打瞌睡;离婚的女人在已婚男人身上暧昧地蹭,揩点小钱。Lily拼了命才勉强挤进这些人的圈子,还被人使唤着当秘书打下手;可惜她又在心里瞧不起他们。心比天高的下场,大家可想而知。

Lily真正爱上的人是个小律师Seldon,但是他没钱,所以也没希望。她想有自己的家,她喜欢买漂亮衣服和珠宝,她想主宰自己的生活,她想受人尊重和爱戴。这些梦想每样都需要钱,可是她除了嫁个有钱人以外,别无出路。嫁不掉,就一辈子做穷困的老处女。

想来想去,决定还是不在这里复述故事情节了。这本书虽然人物和环境都不算庞大,情节的内部构架其实相当复杂。Lily Bart怎样一步一步地在社会里越滑越低,走向灭亡,几句话也说不清楚,反正一切都跟钱有着密不可分的关系。如果真要总结,就是“洪同县内无好人”,仅有的几个好人都是穷的;典型的红颜薄命,她越美,越有魅力,就越倒霉,吸引的都是苍蝇。一方面我边看边想,作者也太明显地控制情节了,怎么什么倒霉事都让女主角给碰上了呢?怎么女主角就这么笨呢?另一方面,似乎也挑不出太大的漏洞,Lily犯的错误只有那么两三个,只是一脚踏进沼泽地就泥足深陷再也拔不出来。

语言风格是Henry James那种的,有时有点绕,有点咬文嚼字,让我这种“科学青年”(我拒绝承认自己是中年 :-D )有点不耐烦。但是绝对不温文尔雅,绝对不是Jane Austen那种淑女型的domestic comedy---这是一本愤怒的书,痛斥上流社会的书,揭露吃人的恶势力的书。我不能不联想到喜宝和张爱玲的小说。

费了好大劲才看下去,太depressing了,太悲惨了,但是并非玩世不恭的灰暗,而是令人窒息的黑暗和想要打破这种黑暗的理想主义。尤其是最后一章,when all of Lily's weaknesses and faults are washed away by bone-crushing poverty, her beauty, goodness, suffering, and faith crystalize into a glowing gem of all that is idealist and pure.

(我总算明白为什么自己写中文这么差了,原来是一种心理障碍)

类似于Dickens惯用的感伤主义和理想主义,我明知作者是在manipulate读者的感情,但是并不介意被感动和感染。Born slaves still dream of freedom. Shackled birds still dream of the sky. Androids still dream of electric sheep. That's the crazy thing about humanity -- as negligible and powerless and tainted as we are, we still hear the calls of something beyond our humble existence. 人对于理想似乎有种生理的需要,也不管理想是否跟现实跟人性有没有联系。
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Re: 近日读书报告 (2)

Post by 狸狸 » 2005-06-06 19:12

Jun wrote:我又来了。

想必在华尔街或公司高层之类的地方,到处都是一片蓝。
这么说来是不是蓝色人容易事业成功呢?
那Jun应该为自己高兴啊,荷荷荷荷
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Post by helenClaire » 2005-06-07 7:37

<<The Story of Your Life>>我没有读,对他小说结构上的妙处没有体会到。 :oops: 虽然英文是简朴明白的好,他的语言未免简单得有点荒芜。总之,我有一种即不习惯又不觉得不好的感觉。

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Post by 洛洛 » 2005-06-07 8:02

我也觉得TED的文字简单了点。不过他的小说我最近大概也没空看了,JUN写详细点儿。 :-P
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Post by tiffany » 2005-06-07 8:04

我在看charming billy,刚刚看了头40页。写爱耳兰的故事的。我挺喜欢这个故事的讲法的。
然后我很羞愧的承认周末爬去看台湾言情小说去了,一口气看了78本,看的居然还能哈哈大笑。 :oops:
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Post by Elysees » 2005-06-07 8:12

tiffany wrote:然后我很羞愧的承认周末爬去看台湾言情小说去了,一口气看了78本,看的居然还能哈哈大笑。 :oops:
是七、八本儿还是七十八本儿? :roll: :xmas018:
我高考完那个暑假就狂看言情小说来着,一口气看了九十九本,觉得该打住了,于是歇下。劳下个后遗症是酱,看到可爱漂亮的女孩子就给人设计怎么碰上男主角,例如捧着书本撞上,拿错书了;搞笑一点儿的就是端着盆水泼上人身上了,等等,等等 :oops:

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Post by Jun » 2005-06-07 8:37

么说来是不是蓝色人容易事业成功呢?
那Jun应该为自己高兴啊,荷荷荷荷
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Post by tiffany » 2005-06-08 8:14

charming billy这本书写的很好,海伦你一定会喜欢。有些让我想起小原来。
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Post by helenClaire » 2005-06-08 9:14

tiffany wrote:charming billy这本书写的很好,海伦你一定会喜欢。有些让我想起小原来。
我去借来看。AMAZON上的读者书评是两极的,有人认为好,有人认为闷。 :roll:
给白金推荐Ted Chiang的<<Evolution of Human Science>>,四页长的篇幅,看到最后一句笑出来。

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Post by tiffany » 2005-06-08 10:15

这本书是有些闷的,----我好像每年看一本闷书,去年的the hours,今年的可爱的比利。不过这本书比the hours要不闷很多。我为什么喜欢呢,开篇第一章,讲的是一个葬礼之后亲戚朋友在reception lunch桌上聊天8卦逝者生平。简单生活的twist,也很戏剧性。
其实我还想看eric liu的the accidental asian。这厮是个非常成功的abc ,给克林顿写演讲稿的。父亲母亲是台湾过来的,他自己既不会读更不会写中文。后来看了一个书评,曰文字华丽,内容就没那么足,然后就打算不看了。
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Post by dropby » 2005-06-08 15:19

我每次看JUN的读书报告就觉得自己过得真是贫乏, 激励自己要多看点书. 过后无非还是看碟去了. 汗啊. 看碟之外, 最近迷上打乒乓球, 每天晚上在家里和某人对抽.
很不幸我也是倒霉的蓝色女人. :verysad:

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Post by tiffany » 2005-06-08 16:12

a good commentery on charming billy
The story of Billy's life and the interwoven lives of his family and friends is told through the eyes of Dennis, but is narrated by Dennis's daughter, who is telling the story to her husband. This technique emphasizes the interconnectedness of the protagonists and the power of the relationships depicted. While alcoholism and its prevalence in some Irish American families is a recurrent theme, alcoholism is transcended in the novel by the force of human connections and personalities.

A debate begins at Billy's funeral--is alcoholism a disease to which one is genetically predisposed, or is this too simple, too fatalistic, too dismissive of individual agency and worth? As one of the mourners protests, "But give him some credit for feeling, for having a hand in his own fate. Don't say it was a disease that blindsided him and wiped out everything that he was." (23) This paradox--that agency is necessary for human dignity, but that it implies responsibility to oneself and others and therefore an acceptance of "blame"--cannot be resolved, the novel seems to be saying. And even though (chronic) disease or disability may contribute characteristics that cannot readily be dissociated from the person, these characteristics never define personhood.


It is worth mentioning also that the milieu of middle-class New York City Irish Catholics during the era beginning with World War II and continuing up to the present is well evoked. It is part of the value of the novel that it treats both global and local issues with such concern and respect.
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Post by Jun » 2005-06-09 5:37

别,我只是拿些书出来分享,介绍喜欢的给别人。

昨天终于借到了Primer,有趣,不过看得头大。 :roll: 今晚再看第三遍。。。

想看的书太多了,时间的没有。已经在图书馆订了autobiography of God, Freakonomics,还想把读了一半的The Great Gatsby看完(又是一个打乱叙述时间顺序的故事)。

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Post by Elysees » 2005-06-09 8:51

Jun评House of Mirth这几句话倒把我的兴趣勾起来了~~既然字字句句都适用于这个时代,为什么又是庆幸生活在这个时代涅? :roll:

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Post by Knowing » 2005-06-09 9:14

Elysees wrote:Jun评House of Mirth这几句话倒把我的兴趣勾起来了~~既然字字句句都适用于这个时代,为什么又是庆幸生活在这个时代涅? :roll:
Because even though human nature and weakness ramain the same as 100 years ago, women do have choices now?
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Post by water » 2005-06-09 13:08

Knowing wrote:
Elysees wrote:Jun评House of Mirth这几句话倒把我的兴趣勾起来了~~既然字字句句都适用于这个时代,为什么又是庆幸生活在这个时代涅? :roll:
Because even though human nature and weakness ramain the same as 100 years ago, women do have choices now?
Didn't she have the choice to live on her own?

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Post by Jun » 2005-06-09 13:13

Yes, in poverty and isolation.

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Post by water » 2005-06-09 13:20

Jun wrote:Yes, in poverty and isolation.
So she did have a choice. Take away the social surrondings, this character is so much like the working-class ladies in YiShu's novels.

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Post by Knowing » 2005-06-09 13:27

I would argue differently. Social surrounding is all that has been greatly improved since 1905. Making a living as young professionals is socially acceptable and respectable. Back then, it was a sign of poverty and basicly enough reason to make you an exile.
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Post by water » 2005-06-09 13:37

Knowing wrote:I would argue differently. Social surrounding is all that has been greatly improved since 1905. Making a living as young professionals is socially acceptable and respectable. Back then, it was a sign of poverty.
yeah? After 100 years, now, Look at YiShu's most working-class female charaters admired by so many girls. Look at so many web novels, written by females, about rich,powerful and handsome guys marrying an ordinary-looking girl BUT with attractive personalities. Social surroundings changed. But deep inside, something never changed.

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Post by Jun » 2005-06-09 13:40

Not necessarily. She hangs around rich and privileged upper class and is from the upper class herself, but she is poor and struggles to keep up the appearance. It was time of transition for the American society -- out of the Victorian era and into the dawn of booming 20s. Women would soon be fighting for the right to vote and be abandoning corsets and wearing Chanel's loose and free clothes. Motion pictures would soon come.

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Post by 猫咪头 » 2005-06-09 15:56

她想主宰自己的生活,她想受人尊重和爱戴。这些梦想每样都需要钱,可是她除了嫁个有钱人以外,别无出路。嫁不掉,就一辈子做穷困的老处女。
Today, a woman can gain all these though herself. Once married, a gal can hardly control the whereabout of her nailclipper, let along 主宰自己的生活.

In today's world, marraige has so little to offer a young woman, that it shocks me to see people still getting married.

Those hopelessly in love could have lost control of themselves. (My deepest sympathy). But why would those luckly unattached gals care to date is always beyond me.

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Post by helenClaire » 2005-06-10 14:04

猫咪头的话让我吃惊。人有感情和陪伴的需要,而且不是亲子关系和手足关系能够完全满足的,出去约会寻找很自然呐。 :roll:
Jun wrote:还想把读了一半的The Great Gatsby看完(又是一个打乱叙述时间顺序的故事)。
我非常非常非常喜欢这篇小说,等着你写读后感。 :wink:

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Post by tiffany » 2005-06-10 14:27

猫咪头 wrote:
她想主宰自己的生活,她想受人尊重和爱戴。这些梦想每样都需要钱,可是她除了嫁个有钱人以外,别无出路。嫁不掉,就一辈子做穷困的老处女。
Today, a woman can gain all these though herself. Once married, a gal can hardly control the whereabout of her nailclipper, let along 主宰自己的生活.

In today's world, marraige has so little to offer a young woman, that it shocks me to see people still getting married.

Those hopelessly in love could have lost control of themselves. (My deepest sympathy). But why would those luckly unattached gals care to date is always beyond me.
yeah, right, all this coming from a wife AND a mother. :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P
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Post by Jun » 2005-06-13 7:10

Helen喜欢The Great Gatsby? Hmm...

Too many books, too little time.

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Post by tiffany » 2005-06-13 8:27

哎,我也看了头两章pitch like a girl,非常惊异的发现我居然是个粉底的蓝人---查一点儿就全粉。我坚决认为这个自测在老子身上不适用,因为我老人家从来没有在她描写的环境中生存过。此书序言十分动人,讲的是不需要改变自己性格个性也能成功,但是我觉得哈,这本书写了这半天,重点跟大多数讲座同,在于:了解你的听众。我现在的问题哈,倒是比较那个直接现实的:如何了解我的听众。---当然我现在甚至没有听众。 :-P :-P
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Post by helenClaire » 2005-06-13 10:44

Jun wrote:Helen喜欢The Great Gatsby? Hmm...
喜欢得藏在床头的小柜子里。 :oops:

我周末把<<Charming Billy>>看完了。调调果然对我的胃口,不觉得闷,还直掉眼泪。 :verysad: 这些发生在远亲近亲身上的不大不小的事儿,大家族里出来的孩子总能在婚礼葬礼上听到不少。难得情节和人物关系编织得致密,而且作者一定信仰救赎,所以每个人物都显现出人格的力量。

tiffany
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Post by tiffany » 2005-06-13 10:55

蛙塞,海伦真是看书神速啊,我还有差不多20页没有看呢!翻了翻扉页,发现作者还有作品:at weddings and receptions---不保证一定准确,但是哈,差不多这个意思哦,此作者大概擅长写这种家庭故事。
我觉得charming billy写的最有意思的一点是在第一章就告诉读者,原来那个浪漫故事是个谎言。
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猫咪头
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Post by 猫咪头 » 2005-06-13 11:41

tiffany wrote: yeah, right, all this coming from a wife AND a mother. :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P
Tiffany, you :shock: are almost a M-xist. :lol:
Is a person merely combination of her social roles?
Isn't there something more, something called a personality?

Let me be professional at work, maternal with my child, and cynical in Jun's post. OK? (why poor Jun? Because she can handle it, I think. :rabbit001: )

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Post by tiffany » 2005-06-13 11:56

In today's world, marraige has so little to offer a young woman, that it shocks me to see people still getting married.
Those hopelessly in love could have lost control of themselves. (My deepest sympathy). But why would those luckly unattached gals care to date is always beyond me.
I got nothing against personality and being a mother and wife.
but these comments from a mother AND a wife struck me as very, hmm, what is the word for it, kindda odd. I mean, after all, u have been there, done that, and as any other married mother sure knows there is appeal in this deal, so for you to say the whole reason for dating and subsequent marriage escapes u, hmm, I found that too cynical to be true :-P
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Post by 猫咪头 » 2005-06-13 15:28

I group myself with those described prior to (). :wink:
So what. I won the lottery, but I am still againtest gambling. Statistics shown the odds are against you.

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Post by tiffany » 2005-06-13 15:47

ha, u won the lottery, hence your objection to gambling is not as valid as someone who has never gambled. :-D
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Post by Elysees » 2005-06-13 16:10

这故事听来太惨了,太惨了......怎么,居然没有灰姑娘碰上然后幸福的生活下去吗,~~~~,我真憎恨这样的现实惨剧阿,可是Jun写得我真想找来看:P

dropby
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Post by dropby » 2005-06-15 11:35

虽然这个故事听起来很惨, 不过估计应该属于我看了以后会觉得时代还是在进步的那种, 不会心情不好. 也应该找来看看.
时代进步了, 所以如果爱上穷人也可以嫁, 有尊严的生活可以凭自己去挣. 时代进步了, 所以女性有了空前的约会自由, 约会的目的既可以是找结婚对象, 也可以是一夜情. More reason for out to date. :f59: 时代进步了, 所以我们新来的大大大老板可以自己先来上任, 老公辞了职带着孩子后搬过来作家庭主男. :renske:

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