[新闻]芝加哥的新闻
[新闻]芝加哥的新闻
这两天媒体折腾的这么大动静,你们都没人讨论?伊州州长涉嫌拍卖奥帅哥空出来的议员位子被起诉。而且证据是来自对他电话的监听,应该确实吧。难得的是他们在电话里赤裸裸的毫无顾忌的讨论价钱,在该州长知道自己被调查的情况下,让人怀疑是不是脑子坏掉了。更讽刺的是有篇报道指出他之前否认有腐败行为的时候义正言辞地欢迎人家监听,这下逮个正着 同时还捅出来他比人家刚刚宣布破产的报纸开掉批评他的记者,还有啥啥的。
还有人历数伊州革命家史,前任州长正在服刑,还有几位也是进过局子的。让我想起看过的那部著名的Untouchables,可不也是芝加哥的故事
还有人历数伊州革命家史,前任州长正在服刑,还有几位也是进过局子的。让我想起看过的那部著名的Untouchables,可不也是芝加哥的故事
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这粒州长的确是脑子进水。我老不搞政治也知道政治不是这么搞,钱不是这么捞的。 第一你不能自己干,这是心腹秘书的事情,你跟心腹秘书只能面谈不能在电话上讲--连wired 里的小毒贩都有这个常识!jessie jackson jr 就没亲自出头谈价钱,现在可以把助手扔出来牺牲掉,至少检察官抓不到他本人。当然他也完了。
第二:sb 啊sb!他要obama 给好处,obama 很聪明的(通过助手)回答会”show appreciation",他就很愤怒的暴骂了一顿。天哪!新任总统答应将来报答你,你要不满意,非要人家掏现钞?人家有那么傻吗?那么傻能混上总统吗?我满意的说帅哥真是个滴水不漏的主儿,看着让人放心,知道他不能干招妓收贿乱睡大嘴小娘之类的傻事被右派们抓小辫子。而且有rumor 说是obama 的新办公室主任(脾气不好拿刀子往桌上乱戳说去死去死去死的Rahm Emanuel 同学)看到州长同学太不识相怒了打的小报告。
第二:sb 啊sb!他要obama 给好处,obama 很聪明的(通过助手)回答会”show appreciation",他就很愤怒的暴骂了一顿。天哪!新任总统答应将来报答你,你要不满意,非要人家掏现钞?人家有那么傻吗?那么傻能混上总统吗?我满意的说帅哥真是个滴水不漏的主儿,看着让人放心,知道他不能干招妓收贿乱睡大嘴小娘之类的傻事被右派们抓小辫子。而且有rumor 说是obama 的新办公室主任(脾气不好拿刀子往桌上乱戳说去死去死去死的Rahm Emanuel 同学)看到州长同学太不识相怒了打的小报告。
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乱睡大嘴小娘。。。格林斯潘的回忆录里说他觉得克林顿这个总统真是太好了,又聪明又识大体又心胸宽广,然后就爆出来莱温斯基。老格的第一反应是:这不可能是真的!后来发现是真的以后,震惊失望,有如打翻了五味瓶
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实际上Blagojevich的"罪行"不一定很严重。现在报道的都是他在那里自说自话,"我要卖这个参议院席位,他们(Obama 的人)不肯出个好价钱,f**k 'em."还有,"我要叫报纸(Chicago Tribune)把他们的主编(批判了他)都给开除了。"但是实际上并没人被开除。也许Pat Fitzgerald 手上有更确凿的证据表明不仅他卖了 political favor,而且手上收了钱。但是现在公开的材料里面,似乎还没有什么实际的交易。相比之下 Uncle Ted 和加州议员 Duke Cunningham 在法律上可判的罪行要相对更严重,因为他们卖了,而且收到了赃款。
Blago 的近似发梦的胡话,让一些旁观者疑心他是不是脑子有毛病。例如,他的录音里说,他觉得自己很有希望当选总统---对,他指的就是美国总统。他还说他在考虑提名自己填这个参议院空缺,因为"如果我被送上法庭(If I am indicted),参议员的身份比较容易帮我竞选总统。"是的,我也不知道他为什么会这么想,但是说明他知道自己被调查并且很可能被指控。如果这个人脑子搭错了线,很难判断他在wiretap里面哇啦哇啦的那些交易那些是真的,那些是他在发梦。
Just to put this in perspective, Blagojevich 说到的那些政治金钱交易,其实并不是新奇现象。政治界的确是这么运转的。但是大家一般是这样:比较好的政客,拿 favor 换 favor,不是为自己谋私利,而是为自己想干的政事(例如health care reform)铺路。比较烂的政客,等到退休或者下台以后再兑现好处,或者在不知何处的地下防空洞跟自己信任的老朋友们躲起来开会,决不留一丝证据。
Obama一当选,Blago就知道自己手里攥着一只下金蛋的鸭子,因为他作为州长有全权指派替代空缺的Senate seat。所以他要吊起来卖。在窃听下来的对话里,他说,我要搞个HHS头头做(实际上Tom Daschle 老早讲定了坐这个位置),他的亲信说,不,你应该要求做energy secretary,这个最来钱(按照过去8年的历史,他说得没错)。如果这些不行,"我至少也得搞个大使玩玩。"(这话也没错,GWB上台的时候,派出去的大使几乎全是他的big campaign donors,对外交一律P也不懂。)
实际上每个搞政治的人都必须做不同的交易,但是他们没有Blago这么轰动,为什么呢?第一因为他们私下说的话没有被录下来(你以为为什么Dick Cheney一直都这么神神秘秘的,连政府正式会议都不许做记录?),第二他们没有这么蠢这么delusional。为什么说他delusional?因为他坚信自己手里有那只金鸭就能让Obama就范了。这是他自己做梦呢。外面的人不知道他是傻的,伊州人已经知道很久了。州议会的人,不管是什么党,都对他讨厌得要命,避之不及,连芝加哥市长Daley(自己也不是什么好人也决不干净)都一早跟记者抱怨Blago多么GP不通。If you are in or from IL politics, you don't have to be smart to know he is a piece of xxxx and should not be indulged. 我很怀疑 IL 政治里还有任何人愿意跟他玩。
他知道自己被调查,别人其实也早有预感,别忘了他有那么多前任被关起来。在某段录音里,Blago 自己还教育手下人,"你别跟谁谁电话里谈交易,我们的电话都可能被窃听了(duh!),你得去跟他们当面儿谈。"You can't make this stuff up.
至于他和太太的满嘴四字经嘛,其实也不是世风日下的表现。我听到老一点的人说,他们记得Nixon的秘密谈话录音被公布时,里面的四字经一点也不比这些少。Nixon也是属于很变态那种,他很秘密,什么都不透露,但是很喜欢给一切东西录音,窃听别人不说,给自己的谈话也录音,结果留下很多有意思的材料。
Blagojevich 说的 Obama 的人想要他指定 Candidate 1 进议院,那个一开始大家就知道是 Valerie Jarret,跟Obama一直是密友来的。这是有人跟Blago通气了呢还是他自己想出来的,还不知道。不过Blago自己在录音里说的,他们除了appreciation 以外什么都不肯给,去死吧,老子才不干,老子要把这个金鸭子吊起来拍卖。有意思的是,Valerie Jarret 不久以前(但是在案子爆出来之前)就宣布放弃对Senate seat 的兴趣,转而接受白宫内部职务。让人忍不住猜想,是不是Obama camp刮到了什么风,知道Blago要进行拍卖,所以赶快把自己人给撤了出来,跟他搭不上一点干系。
Blago 的近似发梦的胡话,让一些旁观者疑心他是不是脑子有毛病。例如,他的录音里说,他觉得自己很有希望当选总统---对,他指的就是美国总统。他还说他在考虑提名自己填这个参议院空缺,因为"如果我被送上法庭(If I am indicted),参议员的身份比较容易帮我竞选总统。"是的,我也不知道他为什么会这么想,但是说明他知道自己被调查并且很可能被指控。如果这个人脑子搭错了线,很难判断他在wiretap里面哇啦哇啦的那些交易那些是真的,那些是他在发梦。
Just to put this in perspective, Blagojevich 说到的那些政治金钱交易,其实并不是新奇现象。政治界的确是这么运转的。但是大家一般是这样:比较好的政客,拿 favor 换 favor,不是为自己谋私利,而是为自己想干的政事(例如health care reform)铺路。比较烂的政客,等到退休或者下台以后再兑现好处,或者在不知何处的地下防空洞跟自己信任的老朋友们躲起来开会,决不留一丝证据。
Obama一当选,Blago就知道自己手里攥着一只下金蛋的鸭子,因为他作为州长有全权指派替代空缺的Senate seat。所以他要吊起来卖。在窃听下来的对话里,他说,我要搞个HHS头头做(实际上Tom Daschle 老早讲定了坐这个位置),他的亲信说,不,你应该要求做energy secretary,这个最来钱(按照过去8年的历史,他说得没错)。如果这些不行,"我至少也得搞个大使玩玩。"(这话也没错,GWB上台的时候,派出去的大使几乎全是他的big campaign donors,对外交一律P也不懂。)
实际上每个搞政治的人都必须做不同的交易,但是他们没有Blago这么轰动,为什么呢?第一因为他们私下说的话没有被录下来(你以为为什么Dick Cheney一直都这么神神秘秘的,连政府正式会议都不许做记录?),第二他们没有这么蠢这么delusional。为什么说他delusional?因为他坚信自己手里有那只金鸭就能让Obama就范了。这是他自己做梦呢。外面的人不知道他是傻的,伊州人已经知道很久了。州议会的人,不管是什么党,都对他讨厌得要命,避之不及,连芝加哥市长Daley(自己也不是什么好人也决不干净)都一早跟记者抱怨Blago多么GP不通。If you are in or from IL politics, you don't have to be smart to know he is a piece of xxxx and should not be indulged. 我很怀疑 IL 政治里还有任何人愿意跟他玩。
他知道自己被调查,别人其实也早有预感,别忘了他有那么多前任被关起来。在某段录音里,Blago 自己还教育手下人,"你别跟谁谁电话里谈交易,我们的电话都可能被窃听了(duh!),你得去跟他们当面儿谈。"You can't make this stuff up.
至于他和太太的满嘴四字经嘛,其实也不是世风日下的表现。我听到老一点的人说,他们记得Nixon的秘密谈话录音被公布时,里面的四字经一点也不比这些少。Nixon也是属于很变态那种,他很秘密,什么都不透露,但是很喜欢给一切东西录音,窃听别人不说,给自己的谈话也录音,结果留下很多有意思的材料。
Blagojevich 说的 Obama 的人想要他指定 Candidate 1 进议院,那个一开始大家就知道是 Valerie Jarret,跟Obama一直是密友来的。这是有人跟Blago通气了呢还是他自己想出来的,还不知道。不过Blago自己在录音里说的,他们除了appreciation 以外什么都不肯给,去死吧,老子才不干,老子要把这个金鸭子吊起来拍卖。有意思的是,Valerie Jarret 不久以前(但是在案子爆出来之前)就宣布放弃对Senate seat 的兴趣,转而接受白宫内部职务。让人忍不住猜想,是不是Obama camp刮到了什么风,知道Blago要进行拍卖,所以赶快把自己人给撤了出来,跟他搭不上一点干系。
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Just saw this on Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
Well, it's probably no coincidence that A LOT of people have stopped speaking to him for a while. His father-in-law who sent him to Springfield in the first place, for example. And the IL Lt Governor (who got elected separately, not as a partner to Blagojevich) Pat Quinn also said he had not talked to the governer (his boss!) in any depth for more than a year. Nobody can stand this guy since he was re-elected in 2006.Like every other politician in Illinois, Gov. Rod Blagojevich waited for Barack Obama's call this summer. He told colleagues that he expected a speaking role at the 2008 Democratic National Convention, a nice bit of payback for being the first governor to endorse the senator from Illinois in his campaign for president. By showing off a connection to Obama in Denver, Blagojevich hoped to repair his own diminished reputation.
Obama's campaign made speaking offers to the Illinois treasurer, the comptroller, the attorney general and a Chicago city clerk. Sen. Richard J. Durbin (Ill.) was asked to introduce Obama on the convention's final night; Rep. Jesse L. Jackson Jr. (Ill.) was told he would speak on television during prime time. Finally, fed up and embarrassed that he still had heard nothing, Blagojevich joked to a crowd at the Illinois State Fair that, yes, he also had been asked to speak -- at 4 a.m., in a Denver area men's bathroom.
Long before federal prosecutors charged Blagojevich with bribery this week, Obama had worked to distance himself from his home-state governor. The two men have not talked for more than a year, colleagues said, save for a requisite handshake at a funeral or public event.
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Breaking news! Rahm Emanuel, it is said, had talked to the governor Blagojevich and told him, "The Prez-Elect would appreciate it if you would appoint one of these people to replace him."
The governor was unhappy about that request and decided to f**k them.
Also, he had known he was under federal investigation, because WSJ reported that he was in debt for a lot of legal fees to deal with it.
It is unknown if Blagojevich asked for money or other paybacks from Emanuel. If he did (likely), it would explain why Valerie Jarrett took the WH advisor job immediately. They probably decided it would look bad if he did appoint her even if they paid Blago nothing, so they just got her out of the whole mess.
Although Emanuel has denied that it was he who tipped Pat Fitzgerald off about this "auction", I have to wonder if he (or they) told the Feds about it. But this investigation had been going on for over a year (hmmm), so ... maybe there was no need to.
Another funny thing about this news is, if Rahm gave some names to Blago, and Blago later said Candidate 5 (Jesse Jackson Jr.) offered to pay him for the appointment, then it might imply that JJ was NOT on the Obama's list. It is interesting to a political junkie like me because JJ was an enthusiastic supporter of Obama during the campaign. This would imply that Obama did not like JJ much. It may actually be that both the father and the son (Jackson Sr. and Jr.) did not in fact like Obama, but only the father let his sentiment slip. (He was heard on microphone saying "I'd cut off his balls.")
The governor was unhappy about that request and decided to f**k them.
Also, he had known he was under federal investigation, because WSJ reported that he was in debt for a lot of legal fees to deal with it.
It is unknown if Blagojevich asked for money or other paybacks from Emanuel. If he did (likely), it would explain why Valerie Jarrett took the WH advisor job immediately. They probably decided it would look bad if he did appoint her even if they paid Blago nothing, so they just got her out of the whole mess.
Although Emanuel has denied that it was he who tipped Pat Fitzgerald off about this "auction", I have to wonder if he (or they) told the Feds about it. But this investigation had been going on for over a year (hmmm), so ... maybe there was no need to.
Another funny thing about this news is, if Rahm gave some names to Blago, and Blago later said Candidate 5 (Jesse Jackson Jr.) offered to pay him for the appointment, then it might imply that JJ was NOT on the Obama's list. It is interesting to a political junkie like me because JJ was an enthusiastic supporter of Obama during the campaign. This would imply that Obama did not like JJ much. It may actually be that both the father and the son (Jackson Sr. and Jr.) did not in fact like Obama, but only the father let his sentiment slip. (He was heard on microphone saying "I'd cut off his balls.")
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原来Rahm Emanuel 跟 Blago 过去满熟的,难怪有那么多关于他们的谣言。Blgao 被人调查,他不可能不知道。
Rahm 过去还是 Clinton 的朋友呢。政治里面没有彻底一刀两断毫无牵连的两个人。这个事件很有意思,把很多人的历史都串了起来。
据说副州长 Pat Quinn 也是一年多没跟州长说话了。刚才伊州的Attorney General Lisa Madigan已经宣布正式向法庭要求撤州长的职。Madigan 与州长本来就是政敌(虽然都是D),互相厌恶得要命,现在她可找到借口狠狠整治 Blago 了。
至今州长大人还坚持说自己是纯洁的,一定会被洗刷冤屈,并且,他决不自动退位。Elliot Spitzer一定气死了,如果他的丑闻现在爆出来,就啥也不算,他也不用退了。
Rahm 过去还是 Clinton 的朋友呢。政治里面没有彻底一刀两断毫无牵连的两个人。这个事件很有意思,把很多人的历史都串了起来。
据说副州长 Pat Quinn 也是一年多没跟州长说话了。刚才伊州的Attorney General Lisa Madigan已经宣布正式向法庭要求撤州长的职。Madigan 与州长本来就是政敌(虽然都是D),互相厌恶得要命,现在她可找到借口狠狠整治 Blago 了。
至今州长大人还坚持说自己是纯洁的,一定会被洗刷冤屈,并且,他决不自动退位。Elliot Spitzer一定气死了,如果他的丑闻现在爆出来,就啥也不算,他也不用退了。
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我就是听过所以才觉得不该一下子打进跟那俩魁北瓜一类去啊?警惕性真高!Knowing wrote:这个交际草!
没有,你没听过他说话嘛?声音很厚很磁性,口音标准但是会故意加一丁点儿黑人味的发音和词汇。森林的火焰 wrote:帅哥有粘乎的异国奶酪口音么?
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芝加哥小报"红眼"迫不急待地推出了参议院门电影版的cast:
阿汤夫妇 - 州长夫妇
Will Smith - President Elect
Tom Hanks - Patrick Fitzgerald
Dr. Phil - Tony Rezko
Tom Wilkson - Strart Levine
Anderson Cooper - John Wyma (he is the one who recorded conversations. He looks like a young AC)
Chiwetel Ejiofor (刚刚google了一下, 在Inside Man里演侦探) - Jesse Jackson Jr.
阿汤夫妇 - 州长夫妇
Will Smith - President Elect
Tom Hanks - Patrick Fitzgerald
Dr. Phil - Tony Rezko
Tom Wilkson - Strart Levine
Anderson Cooper - John Wyma (he is the one who recorded conversations. He looks like a young AC)
Chiwetel Ejiofor (刚刚google了一下, 在Inside Man里演侦探) - Jesse Jackson Jr.
oh i did not think of that. Jessie Jackson Jr came out against his dad about the cutting comments, that doesn't even earn him a senator seat? poor boy.nother funny thing about this news is, if Rahm gave some names to Blago, and Blago later said Candidate 5 (Jesse Jackson Jr.) offered to pay him for the appointment, then it might imply that JJ was NOT on the Obama's list. It is interesting to a political junkie like me because JJ was an enthusiastic supporter of Obama during the campaign.
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Washington Post网站上有一个示意图,列出六个candidates,挺有意思的。
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
注意到里面Lisa Madigan是#2,可能你会问,他们彼此憎恶,为什么州长要提名她呢?有两个原因,第一,Blagojevich 叫他的手下人把她名字漏给报纸,这样好给Obama压力,让他赶快吐出点好处来换取#1;第二,Madigan 有意两年后跟Blago竞争州长选举,如果把她塞进了国会,他就不用担心竞争了。
#4, 州长的思路是,我先派个忠于我的亲信进去参议院,如果我被州议会给赶下来了(他倒还有这点自知之明,也是因为知道自己会被指控),然后这个人可以让位给我。 I find it amusing...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews
注意到里面Lisa Madigan是#2,可能你会问,他们彼此憎恶,为什么州长要提名她呢?有两个原因,第一,Blagojevich 叫他的手下人把她名字漏给报纸,这样好给Obama压力,让他赶快吐出点好处来换取#1;第二,Madigan 有意两年后跟Blago竞争州长选举,如果把她塞进了国会,他就不用担心竞争了。
#4, 州长的思路是,我先派个忠于我的亲信进去参议院,如果我被州议会给赶下来了(他倒还有这点自知之明,也是因为知道自己会被指控),然后这个人可以让位给我。 I find it amusing...
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州外的人都在问这个问题。其实并不奇怪,第一次当选,他是打着reform的旗号上来的,嚷嚷着我要跟腐败做斗争(sounds familiar?), 前一个州长George Ryan(R)就是因为贪污进了监狱。他还有个优势,经费特别充足(you wonder why...),而且给他撑腰的是他岳父,芝加哥一个大boss,人脉很广。第二次2006年,因为他是incumbent governor,所以有一定优势(虽然州议会已经很讨厌他了),而当时共和党拿不出人来,提名的是也很不受欢迎州财政处长Judy Baar Topinka, "an abrasive, orange-haired cross between Marge Schott and a chain-smoking cocktail waitress" (Salon.com Edward McClelland). 所以Blago 轻易当选。
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The saga continues...
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-tr ... id=topnews
中心内容没有什么意外,但是其中最奇怪的一点是:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-tr ... id=topnews
中心内容没有什么意外,但是其中最奇怪的一点是:
显然 Blagojevich 并没有直接跟 Rahm Emanuel 伸手要这要那的,那他为什么在电话里口气那么大呢?也许 Pat Fitzgerald 应该给他弄个 psychiatric evaluation。"Mr. Emanuel and the Governor did not discuss a cabinet position, 501c(4), a private sector position for the Governor or any other personal benefit for the Governor," Craig writes in the report.
逃到非洲了?各家报纸肯定后悔过去为了省钱把驻非洲新闻司撤了。Emanuel has not commented about his contacts with Blagojevich. He left Tuesday on what his staff described as a long-planned family vacation to Africa.
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关于 Rahm Emanuel 还有果汁的谣言呢。
实际上据说最先还没有得到老板的指示的时候他就跑去跟 Blagojevich 通气,说俺们准总统希望你考虑考虑他的好朋友 Valerie Jarrett。但是后来老板特意跟他说,诺,你给州长这些“我建议的任命候选人”,但是注意不要表示我特别钟意哪一个人。得,他只好又回去给州长这个名单。
然后就有人猜测了,也许推荐 Valerie Jarrett 是 Emanuel 自己假传军令,出于私心。谣言说他不希望 Valerie 进白宫做参谋,跟他分权(也就是分睡老板的枕头),所以想使个小手腕把她先弄走。如果这个谣言是真的,Rahmbo 在白宫恐怕呆不长了。但这谣言也可能都是瞎说。
实际上据说最先还没有得到老板的指示的时候他就跑去跟 Blagojevich 通气,说俺们准总统希望你考虑考虑他的好朋友 Valerie Jarrett。但是后来老板特意跟他说,诺,你给州长这些“我建议的任命候选人”,但是注意不要表示我特别钟意哪一个人。得,他只好又回去给州长这个名单。
然后就有人猜测了,也许推荐 Valerie Jarrett 是 Emanuel 自己假传军令,出于私心。谣言说他不希望 Valerie 进白宫做参谋,跟他分权(也就是分睡老板的枕头),所以想使个小手腕把她先弄走。如果这个谣言是真的,Rahmbo 在白宫恐怕呆不长了。但这谣言也可能都是瞎说。
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