教父

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tiffany
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教父

Post by tiffany » 2004-02-16 22:02

长周末在家里蹲着, 租了经典名片教父123来看. 经典麽, 自然是经典, 看的我热血沸腾, 想去闹本儿书在家里存着了.
要说最讨厌的人物乃是麦克的老婆恺, 不知道为哈, 一幅I am holier than thee的架势, 觉着麦克邪恶, 居然故意流产掉了麦克的小孩儿-------我这个人一向比较冷血, 这个事情不觉得特别的那个啥, 但是看见她那么正义的说: 我杀死了你的儿子, 你邪恶! 我老人家的心脏还是哆嗦了一下儿.
我不理解的是她怎么摆的出来这个出淤泥而不染的样貌来, 就跟她没有花麦克的钱, 住麦克的房, 戴麦克给她置的珠宝似的, 离了麦克这个淤泥, 她自己能不能活的下去还是个很具体的问题呢, 她怎么就能那么高尚的唾弃淤泥呢.
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园心
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Post by 园心 » 2004-02-16 22:09

所以我一直对半生缘中曼路骂曼贞那句话很有共鸣,大意是:好个贞洁列女啊,我就不明白你怎么就那么矜贵我就活该这么贱呢?我当初要跟你似的,咱们家全得喝西北风去!

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2004-02-16 23:31

那段儿,我也看得很别扭。不过主角是麦克,我们观众一直看他的行为、做事,我们同情迈克,我们不了解恺为什么这么想。

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Post by 豪情 » 2004-02-17 0:15

我最近也重看了半生缘, 这次不怎么看爱情了琢磨起故事前因后果来. 我看不明白顾家不是也算好人家么, 为什么就让曼璐做舞女供弟妹念书养一大家子, 其他人都干什么呢? 张不是和她订了婚么, 没有帮他们, 还是继续来往. 最奇怪是所有人和曼璐都觉得理所当然得很. 她做她的生意, 家人住在一起过中产阶级规矩生活, 后来要划界线也一下就划开了.

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Post by Jun » 2004-02-17 10:25

我不觉得凯是Holier than thou 的态度,我觉得作者用她来提供一个局外人的角度,来提醒观众立场的切换。如果一味从Michael 的立场来讲故事,观众很容易代入他的眼光,被吸进一个普通的黑帮恩怨仇杀故事。有Kay 在,我们被提醒Michael 自己的蜕变(他在影片一开头也是想要脱离黑手党的命运的),并且不时把自己拉出来反思一下,Michael and his family虽然是主角,但并不见得是正面人物,影片希望我们在同情他们的同时也用批判的眼光看待他们,而不是像其他黑帮电影那样落入美化他们的俗套。

所以,教父1,2可以算是所有电影里最接近完美的作品。我越看越琢磨,就越佩服得五体投地。是学习写剧本的权威性教材。

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Post by karen » 2004-02-17 10:33

小白你对教父那么入迷, 应该去借Sopranos来看, 准会一头栽进来看得又乐又崇拜又害怕的.

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Post by tiffany » 2004-02-17 13:19

well, I think the best movie that depict the ruthlessness and greed and violence of the underworld would be good fellas.
What i am getting at here in godfather 2 is that i understand kay stood in this movie for the concious of the law-abiding world, but nevertheless she herself chose to be part of mike's world, and flurished in the world. In essence, kay is not that different
from mike, maybe she is more hypocritical.
he got blood money, and she did not object when it is used on her.
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Post by tiffany » 2004-02-18 13:45

我主要觉得kay这个人物很突兀,做事没有前因后果,动机不清楚。是个很不丰满的人物。
某人对3抱怨很多,最大的乃是他们老跟那儿谈恋爱。
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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2004-02-18 13:58

3里面最大的败笔就是那个靠裙带关系进取的索非亚磕泼辣
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2004-02-18 14:01

我看3的时候还比较小,就觉得不太好看来着。

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Post by Jun » 2004-02-18 14:10

纯属蛇足,连他自己都承认。
此喵已死,有事烧纸

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Post by 花差花差小将军 » 2004-02-18 15:57

笑大真乃神童天赋贼眼 :shock:
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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2004-02-18 16:32

也没到儿童那么小啊,不过是俺审美观还不成熟的时候。 :speechless001:

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Post by tiffany » 2004-02-18 16:35

我很好奇的问道:你的审美观啥时候成熟的?
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Post by 豪情 » 2004-02-18 16:40

:lol:

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Post by 笑嘻嘻 » 2004-02-18 17:02

我沉吟了良久道:这两年比从前见识多了些,思维僵化了些,算是成熟了些吧。希望今后还能有所突破。 :artist:

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Post by Jun » 2004-02-19 7:54

well, I think the best movie that depict the ruthlessness and greed and violence of the underworld would be good fellas.
But The Godfather is not just a movie that depicts the organized crime world. It's about Corporate America, about how the power of this world actually conduct their business. How the mafia bosses run their underworld can be easily applied to how these rich and powerful middle-aged white men run in this country, legally. Strangely enough, it's also about immigrants and family, and the passage of time that erodes and corrupts.

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