[闲聊]旗帜鲜明地反对自杀

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Post by clover » 2006-06-27 10:16

既成全了人家又解脱了自个儿,不好么.

活着老觉得素很痛苦的事情.

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Post by Knowing » 2006-06-27 10:23

Jun wrote:Now you can finally trust me! :bowling:

Other resources include National Institute of Mental Health, American Psychological Association, American Psychiatric Association, http://www.spsp.org/, books like "Emotional Intelligence," etc.

Because psychology is still a discipline with a lot of crap and pseudoscience mixed in, I'd take things I read with a grain of salt and check the source with discrimination.

我周末读了读。靠,我读这个干吗,又没有利马生孩子的打算....就算有也被吓没了。原来是不是有安全感婴儿头两年那么重要啊。我看了看觉得自己是avoidant 人格的,自觉很有缺陷的的说。。。不过百分之三十五都是这种,凑和着吧。
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Post by Jun » 2006-06-27 10:29

既成全了人家又解脱了自个儿,不好么.

活着老觉得素很痛苦的事情.
这位说话的,心情不好么?也在想关于自杀的事么?我劝人的话总是:死是迟早的事, 而且也迟不了多少, 着什么急呢? 活着有痛苦也有好玩的地方,等玩够了再说嘛。

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Post by Jun » 2006-06-27 10:32

35% in the current US population. The percentage may be higher or lower in other cultures.

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Post by tiffany » 2006-06-27 10:36

how do you know you are "aviodant"?
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Post by Jun » 2006-06-27 10:42

虽然为别人活着不是理由(为儿女活着除外),为别人的方便而死,那就太荒诞勒。(个人意见啊)

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Post by Knowing » 2006-06-27 10:44

tiffany wrote:how do you know you are "avoidant"?
看那个报告自己对著分析的呗。
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Post by tiffany » 2006-06-27 10:51

哇,你还真研究那个啊,我痛苦的说。
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Post by Jun » 2006-06-27 11:02

Tiff you are securely attached and have no reason to be 痛苦

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Post by tiffany » 2006-06-27 11:03

痛苦 需要reason吗?不需要吗?需要吗?不需要吗?
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Post by Jun » 2006-06-27 11:11

There is a scientific explanation for everything, my friend.

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Post by tiffany » 2006-06-27 11:14

the nature of being scientific determined it being inconclusive, my friend :mrgreen:
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Post by clover » 2006-06-27 11:43

Jun wrote:
既成全了人家又解脱了自个儿,不好么.

活着老觉得素很痛苦的事情.
这位说话的,心情不好么?也在想关于自杀的事么?我劝人的话总是:死是迟早的事, 而且也迟不了多少, 着什么急呢? 活着有痛苦也有好玩的地方,等玩够了再说嘛。
谢谢Jun,呵呵.心情不好素真的,自杀估计是没那个魄力的. 我还没玩够呢.

只是觉得自杀素可以理解的,郁闷到一定程度一时想不开,可不是就觉得长痛不如短痛一刀两断好了.

春光乍泄本来那个结局,就梁朝伟割腕那个版本,我老觉得才是正常的反应...汗.

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Post by 豪情 » 2006-06-27 12:05

我也读了那个. 很郁闷地看到它长篇大论地讨论孩子两岁前母亲工作的影响. 为什么不讨论父亲工作的影响呢.
安慰一下小K, 刚开始我们都太想做十全十美的父母, 后来发现不可能做得到. 太追求完美不仅压力太大, 丧失了乐趣, 还常把更重要的事情耽误了. 但所有的文献都强调自己最重要, 让你觉得缺一点就是对孩子的犯罪, 做父母的只好自己拿主意取舍承受所有的负罪感.
不过我这都安慰啥呢? 小K现在又不打算生孩子, 将来也肯定有条件比我做的完美. :let_me_die:

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Post by Jun » 2006-06-27 12:12

Yup. Absolutely no need to be 完美. If a parent can build a secure attachment with the child within the first year, you've done 90% of your job. The rest is largely on autopilot (I mean psychologically, not financially :frog: ). The kid is going to be a happy and well adjusted person for the rest of his or her life. You can save the therapy cost for other things.

If you miss the secure attachment part, no amount of effort later on can make up for it. So the lesson is to focus on attending to the infant's need for the first year, not starting education as early as possible to help the infant "get ahead" in life.

This report from 1991 长篇大论地讨论孩子两岁前母亲工作的影响 because it was prepared by the welfare department in the government to aid in federal policy related to workplace and welfare-realted issues. In fact, any caregiver would do. It does not have to be the mother.
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Post by Knowing » 2006-06-27 12:17

小豪你真是赶超钻石的新一代二十四孝好母亲,把个小羊养的滚壮还嫌不完美。我根本不是完美主义者。要是真的生孩子,一定两眼一抹黑什么文献都不看,怀了就生,生了有哈给吃点哈,不吃就饿着 :mrgreen:
再加一句,根据我养猫的记录看来,肯定会随著激素作祟,到处张贴宝宝的照片,抓着每一个人问:是不是最可爱的宝宝?!是不是嘛?!见人就讲妈妈经,也不管人家听不听,劝每一个人生孩子,言必称我们家宝宝如何如何..... :f59:
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Post by 森林的火焰 » 2006-06-27 12:27

从生物学角度来说,父亲的角色不如母亲重要多了。企鹅那样的是个别,个别。父亲不威胁宝宝的存在已经是好父亲了。
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Post by 豪情 » 2006-06-27 12:40

这些症状我除了妈妈经太多以外好象没有 :oops: 所以就不怀疑你映射我了.

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Post by DeBeers » 2006-06-27 12:43

Knowing wrote:小豪你真是赶超钻石的新一代二十四孝好母亲,把个小羊养的滚壮还嫌不完美。我根本不是完美主义者。要是真的生孩子,一定两眼一抹黑什么文献都不看,怀了就生,生了有哈给吃点哈,不吃就饿着 :mrgreen:
再加一句,根据我养猫的记录看来,肯定会随著激素作祟,到处张贴宝宝的照片,抓着每一个人问:是不是最可爱的宝宝?!是不是嘛?!见人就讲妈妈经,也不管人家听不听,劝每一个人生孩子,言必称我们家宝宝如何如何..... :f59:
就是就是,没有最孝只有更孝,我小鸡啄米一样点头说 :-)
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Post by silkworm » 2006-06-27 12:51

我不禁感叹:生活真美好。
贴子题目什么来着?愣掰到传宗接代上来了。

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Post by dropby » 2006-06-27 12:53

很切题啊. 有死必有生. 有人自杀, 热爱生活的们不得多生几个免得人类绝种? :-P

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Post by 豪情 » 2006-06-27 12:56

我们不仅切题还是更深入的讨论. 原题是子女自杀是对父母的犯罪, 我们的讨论是子女自杀是不是父母犯的罪.
现在的童年心理创伤理论简直要说做父母就是原罪.

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Post by 猫咪头 » 2006-06-27 23:30

现在的童年心理创伤理论简直要说做父母就是原罪.
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Post by tiffany » 2006-06-28 8:53

quote of the day on to be or not to be:
George Santayana
"There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval."
on parenting:
we have to be nice to our children, because they are going to choose the rest home
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Post by Knowing » 2006-06-29 10:20

豪情 wrote:这些症状我除了妈妈经太多以外好象没有 :oops: 所以就不怀疑你映射我了.
我没影射你啊。而且我觉得宝宝一两岁的时候这样的反应非常正常,得特别有自制力才能不到处秀幸福。有的妈妈孩子八九岁了,化学反应都该过去来,还没完没了跟人吹嘘就比较烦人。要是说的都是真有趣的事儿也就算了....

Down to the bottom, it is a form of PDA. Just that new lovers all realize the slight improperness of PDA, new parents don't. :f20: That said, it usually is only slightly improper and public can enjoy, or at least put up with it quite well. But certain people can cross the line and become quite annoying, even become exhibitionists.
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Post by Jun » 2006-06-29 10:27

其实也没什么,到处都有很多爱讨论自己孩子的妈妈,大家聚在一起志同道合地各夸各的孩子多开心。只要不把未婚或无子的朋友也拖进来强迫她们听着就好了。象我到处拉人唠叨意大利如何如何好,也没人爱听,只好给唯一的一个意大利裔的朋友打电话倾诉。 :speechless002: :f19:

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Post by tiffany » 2006-06-29 10:31

Jun wrote:其实也没什么,到处都有很多爱讨论自己孩子的妈妈,大家聚在一起志同道合地各夸各的孩子多开心。只要不把未婚或无子的朋友也拖进来强迫她们听着就好了。
jun ah, this is the origin of peer-pressure! for the sake of those poor kids, let 未婚或无子的朋友 suffer! :mrgreen:
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Post by Knowing » 2006-06-29 10:37

我挺爱听小孩的逗事儿,看小孩照片的。比较烦的是父母没完没了讨论那个学区好,孩子学琴快,成绩好什么的。幸好朋友里有这么大孩子的还不多。
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Post by karen » 2006-06-29 10:48

幸好朋友里有这么大孩子的还不多。
Just a matter of time. 到时要不换群朋友,要不自己也养孩子一起讲妈妈经。 :whistling:
我有对好朋打算明年养孩子。现在每次出去喝酒吃饭,我心里总想,好好享用在一起的快乐,她有孩子后我们就不可能坐在这儿讨论某个酒区路线怎么走才妥当。 到时伊即使有时间出来,我还得帮伊提尿布包抱伊的孩子。 :renske:

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Post by Knowing » 2006-06-29 11:09

根本不用担心,生了孩子的肯定就搬到suburb去,届时想见都见不到。 :mrgreen:
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Post by karen » 2006-06-29 13:19

这不求之不得嘛。 眼不见心不烦。 :wavy:

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